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Featured Region & Subreddit: /r/LasVegasBeer and the beer of Nevada. That includes Las Vegas and the rest of the State of Nevada!
Hey everyone! In addition to our ongoing local recommendation threads, we wanted to start featuring a region and the accompanying regional subreddit every week or two. This thread is for all things beer in Nevada. That includes breweries, brewpubs, cool bars that serve beer, cool food places that do beer, homebrewing, beer people, cool beer stores and shops, and anything I'm forgetting. If you have recommendations of places to go in Nevada, post them here. If you have recommendations for Nevada-brewed beer, let us know. If you have a cool story or any cool written or filmed content, feel free to post it. Most Yankees are familiar with Las Vegas as the popular tourist spot to hit up when you are 21 for gambling and other debauchery. But the origins of "Sin City" go back to 1906 when saloons on Block 16 (located between First Street between Ogden and Stewart Avenue) began serving liquor without licensing restrictions and offered patrons the warming comfort of prostitutes. The first casino was opened in 1931, and the first casino on The Strip was opened ten years later. Vegas is inextricably tied to mafia crime, with notorious mafioso, Bugsy Siegel, running the Flamingo casino from 1945 to 1947. Vegas' colorful history and relative calm over the past few years was unfortunately recently disrupted by the now deadliest modern-day mass shooting in the United States. As we move towards healing and recovery, hopefully Vegas can find ways to mourn the loss while retaining its free spirit. Nevada is not just Vegas, but also home to Area 51, the Hoover Dam, and part of the Sierra Nevadas. Nevada is the seventh-largest state in size, and about 85% of its land is owned by the federal government. And finally, Nevada is the only state with an entire museum devoted to the life and time of entertainer Liberace. Anyway...I've been looking forward to this one, and this one has been requested more than once. So knock'em out (no pun intended). Once we close this thread out, it will be archived in a master recommendations thread that will be included in /beer's sidebar for future reference. Previous threads:
Throughout my visit I did my best to find answers to many of the questions and interests you all brought up in the earlier thread (though some weren't feasible as they were better addressed at an AD rather than a coach or player). McElhaney did a lot of work as well, sitting down with numerous players.
TEAMS (con't)
Teams are listed in the chronological order of appearance. Note that some press conferences went longer than others depending on the number of questions that were being asked. This update is only one team: struggling Georgia State, touted by some on /CFB as the 2025 National Champion Panthers.
Georgia State Panthers
Attendees:
Coach: Trent Miles
Players: Joseph Peterson (Sr., LB) and Donovan Harden (Sr., WR)
OOC Slate:
Charlotte
@ Oregon
Liberty (FCS, projected top-25)
@ Ball State
The Lay of the Land To fully appreciate the situation at Georgia State, as well as the position of Coach Trent Miles, it helps to examine their brief history as a program: The Panthers were actually a founding member of the Sun Belt back in 1976, but left in 1981 (the conference started sponsoring football in 2001). They announced the creation of a football program in 2008, fielded their first team as an FCS Independent in 2010, and joined the rest of their athletic programs in the Colonial Athletic Association (FCS) for the 2012 season—all as planned. However in April 2012, just before its inaugural CAA season and only two seasons after the program began, the Sun Belt's brand new commissioner Karl Benson sent an invitation to join the SBC as a full, FBS member. A fair number of people were surprised by the invitation, including their first coach, Bill Curry (“For us to be able to move this quickly is something I would have never dreamed of [. . .] I don’t think we had a choice.”). Indeed, this was during the chaotic conference shifts that were rearranging CFB: Georgia State's administration conducted a study that determined they would be a good fit for a FBS conference; the Sun Belt wanted better access to the Atlanta TV market. The stars aligned and the Sun Belt had an 11th member. The choice of a coaching veteran like Curry to launch the program appeared to follow the model laid out by FAU's formation behind Howard Schnellenberger (later followed by UTSA's selection of Larry Coker), but Curry's previous tenures with established programs at nearby Georgia Tech, Bama, and Kentucky didn't appear to mesh well with building one from scratch: his win totals went from six, to three, to one (in that only season of CAA play). Before the one-win 2012 season, Curry sounded a bit tired of the current college football environment when talking about the move to the Sun Belt: “When all the arrows pointed to ‘Yes, do this’ then we had to move quickly because if you don’t, you get left in the dirt the way it is these days. Things move so fast in this world.” He retired after the season. Enter the Sun Belt, enter Trent Miles. In two years of Sun Belt membership, the Panthers have yet to win a conference game. They're 2-33 over the last three seasons. Those two wins were FCS teams; two wins out of thirteen games against FCS opponents. Coach Trent Miles has been at the helm for the most recent two seasons, starting 0-12 and following it up with 1-11 for 2014. The school's only won 11 total games its five-year existence. It's hard to blame the struggles on being a new program when conference-mate South Alabama started their program in 2009 and went bowling last year; similarly Old Dominion also began in 2009 and hasn't been struggling nearly as much (going 11-2 in its final year of FCS and doing reasonably well in C-USA). Or look at UTSA: started a year after Georgia State with similar plans to start as an FCS program, it was also issued an unexpected invitation to join the FBS (by WAC Commissioner...Karl Benson), but have managed to stay competitive in C-USA. If anything, it doesn't seem outlandish to think Sun Belt Commissioner Benson expected similar performance out of Georgia State in the SBC. That hasn't happened, at least in football—Georgia State basketball has flourished in the Sun Belt under Coach Ron Hunter (but that program is also much older). Because of how quickly they rose to FBS, and because of their cramped location in the heart of a major city, the infrastructure is playing catch-up with the program's ambitions. It's a very urban campus, located next to downtown Atlanta and the Georgia State Capitol. Their practice field sits across the freeway in an industrial area next to train tracks, the field house used to be a bottling plant. They're putting the finishing touches on a new football strength and conditioning facility next to their practice field—the projected cost is $600k-$700k, with an additional $300k for equipment. To put that in perspective: Texas just announced they're saving $300k per year (despite a $7m profit) by cutting free meals for coaches. It's a different ballgame at the entry level of FBS, and Georgia State is gradually putting the pieces together while simultaneously fielding a team at the highest division in college football. It shouldn't be a surprise they're struggling as they have. With that perspective, Coach Trent Miles came to the podium ready to address the status of a long-term building project—one that he feels comfortable with because he had a the same zero-win and one-win start to his previous position as head coach of FCS Indiana State (they had 6 wins in year three). When a reporter tried to soften his question by saying “the season may not have gone the way you expected”, Miles clarified that “yeah, I did.” He compared the job at Georgia State to building a house: “For weeks all you see is a hole in the ground. You don't see what's going on underneath and they're pouring the foundation. We've poured the foundation, now the frame is up” In the process of building an FBS program from almost scratch, Miles played 18 true freshman his first year in 2013. Now those players are veteran juniors. He feels he's on course with the progression for building the program. They had more close games in 2014, leading two bowl teams in the 4th quarter. He views the 2015 season as moving the team from the “how-to-compete stage” to the “how-to-win stage.” "You'd be shocked at how much confidence we have." Let's take a moment to look back again on 2014: They had an abysmal -22 turn over ratio, the worst in the nation. They managed several close losses to ULL, South Alabama, and NMSU (two of which were bowl teams). Depth was a major weakness: They started the season with only 68 scholarship players and the attrition of playing an FBS schedule led the wheels to fly off in their final five games. By the second-to-last game at Clemson the Panthers had 52 people on the bus—and only 16 scholarship defensive players (they lost 28-0). They open 2015 with 82 scholarship players. The Panthers were given an infusion of ready-to-play transfer talent from UAB, their six players second only to South Alabama's 10 (+ UAB's OC); half of those players are expected to help strengthen the needy defense. Coach Miles said they interviewed each potential transferee to make sure they were the right fit for the building effort at Georgia State, and so they appeared to quickly fit into the system during the spring—within a week it wasn't easy to tell they were transfers. Miles is particularly confident in his offense. He's set two goals for 2015: Take care of the football (unsurprisingly) and improve the running game to take pressure off the QB. Last season the Panthers' QB, JC-transfer Nick Arbuckle, had a solid year given the situation, throwing for 3283 yards (60.4%) with 23 TDs and 17 INTs. As Arbuckle returns for his senior season, Miles sees continuing improvement and hopes to be able to provide him with better protection to reduce pressure and mistakes. Arbuckle should be helped by the return of touted receivers senior WR Donovan Harden, junior WR Robert Davis, and senior TE Joel Ruiz. Although the running game was beset by injuries that created terrible results (10th in the SBC, 120th in FBS—the leading rusher only had 354 yards!), they do return experience with several lineman and their original starting RB, so improvement is possible if they can stay healthy. That -22 turnover ratio appears to have nowhere to go but up. I would be remiss if I didn't mention Georgia State's offensive coordinator, Jeff Jagodzinski, who may be one of the most undervalued assistant coaches in college football. Jagodzinski's coaching career was promising: successful coordinator from college to the NFL, hired to replace Tom O'Brien has head coach at BC. In his first season he took the Eagles to 11-wins, and at one time BCS #2, with QB Matt Ryan leading his offense; he followed 9-wins his second year—then the wheels came off in unprecedented fashion: after being told not to interview for the HC position of the Jets (BC was still smarting from O'Brien's departure to NC State), he did anyway and was fired by BC after two seasons (the Jets hired Rex Ryan). He joined the Bucs as OC in 2009 only to be fired before the preseason ended. He then coached the Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL but was fired after a season. After spending 2012 as an unpaid WR coach of NAIA's Ave Maria he was scooped up to be Miles' OC at Georgia State. If he can continue to develop the Panthers' offense it will do well to rebuild his reputation. "Our offense was good, our defense was offensive!" Miles acknowledged the struggles on defense. Last year, in allowing an average of 43.3 points per game, they ranked at or near the bottom of every category but passing defense—because no one needed to pass when the running game was so effective. Defensive coordinator Jesse Minter returns for his third season after following Miles from Indiana State, but there's a mostly new slate of defensive assistants under him. The players were seriously banged up last season: as noted above, they only had 16 healthy scholarship players left on defense in their penultimate game. They've had some talent infusion via transfers: UAB transfers, LB Alonzo McGee and S Bobby Baker in particular, were singled out by Miles for looking good. They also have an interesting transfer from Canada, by way of New Mexico Military Institute (JC), DE Julien Laurent. I asked Miles about it and he said Laurent is an example of how Miles' staff needs to be willing “overturn stones” to find talent (I wonder if they sent someone to scout potential diamonds in the IFAF World Cup, there had to be at least a handful of playable transfers out there, and coming to live in Atlanta wouldn't be unappealing to international players). That's not to say the existing defense is without notable players: Sr. LB Joe Peterson has been the team's top tackler in the past three years, is its uncontested star and, more importantly, its leader. Miles noted having a veteran player like Peterson gives the Panthers something they were missing: as the team is only 5 years old, it didn't have the corp of experienced players to act as leaders and set the tone for how players are expected to perform on and off the field. This season he's seeing those leaders emerge to instill expectations on the next generation of players. "When wives and families count as half your attendance..." (you've got work to do) Miles likened expectations of some folks to taking his five kids through the drive-through at McDonalds: people want it fast. He emphasized patience, there's no quick fix. At the same time, he acknowledged wins generate interest and attendance, hence the quote above. Georgia State only lists the bottom of the Georgia Dome for capacity (28k) and they officially averaged only a little over half that (15,006); but that's “announced attendance” which includes every ticket paid for and given away, not who actually showed up. The average was boosted by 28,427, mostly Georgia Southern fans, who came up to see their game in Atlanta; the low point were the 3,485 announced for the season finale against Texas State. Another problem facing Georgia State is the reputation as a “commuter school”; while more and more students are living on campus and having a traditional four year education, their alumni network isn't the same as one with more connection to a campus life tradition. Georgia State isn't just building a football program from the ground up, it's building the essence, tradition, and connection to one's alma mater. Everyone, from administrators to Coach Miles, is hoping the school can acquire the Braves' soon-to-be-vacated Turner Field and turn it into a proper home football stadium as part of a $300m redevelopment project of the area. It's not a perfect fix to attendance woes, but it would be a step to making it more inviting to fans. However, while the project is favored by the mayor, it's hardly a done deal (just recently there's been a pitch by several casinos). If Turner Field falls through it's not entirely clear what the Panthers' “plan B” will be other than continuing the imperfect status quo and using the successor to the Georgia Dome. The good news for Georgia State fans is the administration appears to appreciate the Herculean task faced by their head coach, and continues to support the program. Last year the school replaced their AD, bringing in Charlie Cobb from Appalachian State—his nine years include experience with supporting a successful transitional football team (albeit one that was already an FCS power); under his recent tenure, Georgia State moved forward with the needed strength and conditioning facility next to their practice field. If Miles can muster some more wins, the administration should continue to be patient. Will Miles' Indiana State model work at Georgia State? Talking to veteran players from Appalachian State, Georgia Southern and South Alabama—players who similarly saw their teams move up from FCS—I asked about the differences they saw between levels of competition. A common thread was the need to be at the top of their game for each opponent: where not all FCS teams were threatening, all FBS teams play more consistently (in addition to increases in size and speed). The vets said there were FCS opponents they knew they could have an off game against. That would seem to offer more opportunities to pick off low-hanging fruit with competent play. So when Miles points to his work at Indiana State that took the FCS wins from 0-1-6-6-7, it doesn't necessarily convince me that his FBS program will see a similar rise in year three. However, I don't want to leave off with a feeling of doom and gloom. There are some positive signs: the young team is maturing, with now juniors and seniors who've got plenty of game experience. They have more depth. A -22 turnover ratio means there's nowhere to go but up. Several close losses, and a few of those against good teams, seems to indicate an improvement in win total is possible. Four or even five wins wouldn't be unthinkable with games against Charlotte, NMSU, Liberty, as well as rebuilding teams at Troy and South Alabama (though they miss Idaho). I asked Coach Miles what he would define as a successful season, his answer was simple: “Wins.” As an aside, and something you can probably sense from the quotes above, Coach Miles was probably the most interesting coach at Sun Belt Media Day. He's personable, clearly intelligent enough to know the situation he's facing, and engaging to listen to. He's willing to be honest, perhaps a bit more honest than his SID would prefer, but really: When you're tasked with turning the least prepared team in the nation (in both talent and infrastructure) into an FBS contender, you've got to get people on your side. I hope Georgia State fans appreciate that because, if his plan works in the next few seasons, he's going to be a good person to have as the face of the program. PLAYERS: Joe Peterson (Sr. LB) said, while the accolades are nice to have, he really want to win games—in all of his answers he genuinely seemed to want the defense to buy into “speaking and envisioning” success, something he wants to instill in the younger players as their leader. As such, he feels he needs to take ownership of the good and bad. When he arrived on campus and became a true freshman starting LB, he didn't know how to be a leader but found it fell on him because of his play (he's been the team's lead tackler each year). He's enjoyed seeing the team grow up around him, and is excited about the new strength and conditioning facility, along with a new S&C coach. McElhaney asked him several questions:
On depth – He was please from what he's seen with the combined maturity of the team (the return of key defensive lineman who played as freshman and sophomores) as well as Juco transfers who've been able to plug right into the defense in the front seven. “The team just went from being young to old.”
About the Clemson game (28-0 loss) – Peterson sat out the game due to injury, but observed from the sideline: Although they were shut out, the ability to hold an offense like Clemson's to 28 actually gave the defense, particularly the young players, some confidence to see that they could do it. Those 28 were the fewest scored against the Panthers.
Any young players to look out for? – CBs Chan Sullivan (So) and Jerome Smith (RS Fr) both impressed Peterson.
Did the injuries plaguing the running back corp put extra pressure on the defense? – While the running backs were definitely beaten up (they had to move a DB over!), he felt it fell on the defense, and on him as a leader, to get them ready to play “no matter what happens.”
Donovan Harden (RS Sr., WR, transferred from Illinois State), in talking about his growth as a player, noted both appreciating the amount of work (and time management) needed to do academically and the value of strength conditioning for his play on the field. As a true freshman he played at 153 lbs (“running for my life”) he's since wanted to add “armor” and is playing at 175 lbs. Like Peterson, he found himself being a leader based on his success on the field last season (his first playing for Georgia State), especially as he started garnering recognition as the season went on (1st Team Sun Belt, Biletnikoff Watch List). McElhaney asked him several questions:
After the injuries at RB forced the team to lean on passing, do you feel that trend will continue? – Given the success the team had in the passing game, he's optimistic they'll continue to be pass oriented (“if it isn't broke, don't fix it”). Happy with the overall quality of the receiving corp.
Did the running game being injured hurt the passing game? – Yes, a lot of opponents were dropping eight which hurt efficiency so if they can balance it out it should benefit the offense overall.
How much do you think Nick Arbuckle has improved as a QB? – “He has improved a lot and I have learned a lot from him about leadership, he's always doing the right thing: first in the weight room . . . always raring to go.”
Who's a younger player we should look out for? – Incoming freshman Penny Hart (WR).
Do you think you'll break 1000 yards this season? – “That's the plan!” (827yds in 2014)
Which city will be the next to get their first NFL team?
Roger Goodell is always talking about growing revenues and sometimes expanding the league. It seems likely that Los Angeles will eventually get a team again, but what about cities that have never had an NFL team? What city will be the next to host their first home team? City: San Antonio, TX Population: 1,382,951 Other Pro/Major College Teams: San Antonio Spurs (NBA) Pros: Located in football-crazy Texas, San Antonio is by far the biggest city outside of Los Angeles to not have an NFL team. San Antonio is growing rapidly. And while a San Antonio team would be the third Texas NFL team, the geography works- they're more than 2.5 hours from Houston and 4 hours from Dallas. But what's most attractive is that it would be easy to plug in an NFL team without much investment, due to the construction of the 65,000 seat (up to 72,000) Alamodome in the early 90's. It hosts the annual Alamo Bowl and other events such as CFL and college games. At 65,000, it would be the 6th smallest stadium, tied with Ford Field and just a little more than the University of Phoenix Stadium. Expanded to 72,000, it lands between Atlanta's Georgia Dome and Buffalo's Ralph Wilson Stadium. It would be newer than 9 currently in-use NFL stadiums. As the NFL seeks to internationalize itself, having a team this close to the Mexican border may also prove to be an attractive prospect to draw in Mexican audiences. Cons: The Cowboys and Texans may not want to share their Texas pie with another major franchise, even one far away from most of them. And while large, San Antonio is not a high-profile city. While the Spurs are popular, there isn't much in the way of major sports to know if a team would succeed in the town, and if they could pull enough dollars from Texans, Cowboys, and Longhorn fans. Likelihood: This seems to be the most likely place. An untapped population, international reach, and a ready-made stadium could make this a highly attractive spot for an owner looking to make a move with minimal investment (i.e. not having to build a new stadium, or get a local government to build one). City: San Jose, CA Population: 982,765 Other Pro/Major College Teams: Sharks (NHL) Pros: San Jose is hip place in the heart of Silicon Valley, with beautiful weather and a lot of money. Cons: The 49ers just moved their stadium to Santa Clara, just bordering San Jose. If anything, they are more San Jose than San Francisco. With the Raiders in nearby Oakland, it would concentrate a lot of NFL firepower in one small footprint. Likelihood: Very low. The league would likelu not allow a team there with the 49ers on their doorstep. While a market can support two teams if large enough (Jets/Giants, 49ers/Raiders) adding a third would be too deletrious to those in place. City: Columbus, OH Population: 809,798 Other Pro/Major College Teams: Blue Jackets (NHL), Ohio State Buckeyes (NCAA) Pros: Ohio is up there with Texas with states that take their football seriously. Columbus is the largest city and capital in Ohio, and is already the home of very avid football fans for the Buckeyes. I'm not sure of the politics would make this possible, but if OSU allowed the Columbus NFL team to use Ohio Stadium, it would be the second largest (only behind Cowboys Stadium) with a max attendance of 102,329. Cons: It would be the third NFL team in Ohio, next to the Bengals and Browns. Both of those teams have been historically not great, and along with the continued poor showing of the Blue Jackets and difficulty of succeeding in the NFL may make Ohio sports teams weary. Likelihood: Unlikely. The Buckeyes own Columbus, and the other two owners in Ohio (and nearby Pittsburgh) would probably not want to share their turf with a new team. Unlike Texas, this is an area that has been under some economic hardship and may be difficult to justify another team in the state. City: Austin, TX Population: 842,592 Other Pro/Major College Teams: University of Texas Longhorns (NCAA) Pros: Like with San Antonio, Texas is enthusiastic about football. Still located a good distance from the current NFL teams in Texas, Austin is a city in the midst of large economic expansion. The University of Texas contributes to a fun, weird atmosphere that would make Austin an attractive destination for visiting fans to come into town. If like Columbus the NFL team was able to lease Darrell K Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium, it would again be the #2 stadium in the NFL wth 100,119. Cons: Like Columbus and their Buckeyes, Austin bleeds burnt orange. UT football is a big deal there, and an NFL team would probably be in competition for these dollars. While there is large support from Texas faithful and the very large student body at UT, it's not clear that there would be the same level of support for an NFL team right there. Asking for 200,000 football tickets to be sold most weekends in the Fall is a daunting prospect for a town of less than a million people. Likelihood: Unlikely. Austin doesn't seem like a city that has much drive to need an NFL team, as their sporting fixes are more than made up by a typically-competitive UT team plus the nearby Cowboys and Texans. City: Portland, OR Population: 603,106 Other Pro/Major College Teams: Timbers (MLS), Trail Blazers (NBA) Pros: Portland is a growing city that doesn't have a competitive football team nearby. Seattle is 2.5 hours, and the two recently-competitive football teams, Oregon State Beavers and the Oregon Ducks, are 1 to 2 hours away. Portland is larger than many NFL cities and is very underserved by pro sports in general, and Oregon fans have shown a lot of support for their NCAA teams. A sporting culture, including a ready-made partnership with Oregon-based Nike, might make Portland a place to put on the radar if the NFL seeks to expand. Portland and Seattle can continue their rivalry on the gridiron, instead of arguing whose Pride Parade is gayer. Cons: There would have to be a new stadium built, and locals are probably going to put up a fight against any public financing or use of eminent domain to secure a desirable city location. This would mean a stadium probably built out in the suburbs, which can have mixed results. I asked some relatives of mine what they thought about local support, and they were decidedly mixed, thinking that Portland thinks itself too much of itself to allow something as base as professional football to succeed. Likelihood: Not the least but not the most. While there's no real muscle pushing a team to Portland, and Portlandia has biased me to think that locals will protest something as base as football, it might actually be a good place for the NFL to consider expansion to. City: Toronto, ON Population: 2,615,060 Other Pro/Major College Teams: Blue Jays (MLB), Argonauts (CFL), Raptors (NBA), Maple Leafs (NHL), Toronto FC (MLS) Pros: The Bills already play one game a year in Rogers Centre (though it will always be SkyDome to me) and there are a lot of Canadian fans of NFL football. While the Toronto series has been a debacle for the Bills (usually meaning the opposition has as many fans there as the Bills, giving them effectively one less home game a year), a dedicated NFL team may fare better. With local support, Toronto has the sports culture, population, stadium, and most importantly money (check out Maple Leafs ticket prices!) to support an NFL team. Whether the local support would actually catch is another story. Toronto would also become the third-largest city with an NFL team, coming in just under Chicago's 2.7 million. Cons: For American football, Rogers Centre only seats 54,000. That makes it the third smallest stadium in the NFL, above just Chicago and Minnesota. Crowd noise at the Bills games has been lackluster to say the least, but then again, so have the Bills. They would also be in direct competition with the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL. While the NFL definitely has larger marketing and name power, the Argos do enjoy healthy local support and are one of the oldest sports franchises in the world. Ex-con players might create headaches for visiting teams at the border. Free agents might also be hesitant to make Toronto home, given that it's (really) cold and Canadian taxes are much higher. Likelihood: Very. Goodell wants to make the game international, and Toronto is the prime target. Buffalo seems the most likely team to move there, but it's far from guaranteed. Don't be surprised if Jacksonville sneaks in on this one. City: Las Vegas, NV Population: 596,424 Other Pro/Major College Teams: None Pros: A completely underserved sports market along with a fairly high population. It probably wouldn't be hard to find a casino magnate with money to burn that could finance an expansion team in the desert. Cons: It's hot. The gambling and party culture might make it a hotbed of player misbehavior, as there's quite a difference between a rookie signing their first million-dollar contract in northern Wisconsin versus a 5-minute drive from The Strip. A new stadium would need to be built, and without any major sports teams nearby, it's difficult to know if an NFL team would be viable. The NFL might also balk at the image of a Vegas team, as inevitably there would be accusations of fixing and bribery for gambling reasons. Likelihood: Unlikely. The NFL is just too risk-averse to invest that kind of money into a place like Vegas. City: Virginia Beach, VA Population: 449,628 Other Pro/Major College Teams: None Pros: Virginia Beach is one of those invisible large metro areas. Taking in the bordering cities of Chesapeake, Norfolk, and Hampton, the greater area has a metro population of 616,805 just in those towns. Expanding to the larger area and it gets pretty big. It's a wealthy area with a major port and some great tourist areas nearby. It fills a void between the Baltimore/Washington tail of Megalopolis before the Carolina fans pick up. While there is no stadium, there is plenty of room for one, and lots of waterfront that could potentially be converted to a beautiful stadium location. And while the Sacramento Kings deal didn't work out, it showed that local government and ownership groups may be willing to bring a team to this area. Cons: Not a high-profile place. An NBA team, especially one like the Kings, is significantly cheaper than an NFL franchise. The team would have to build a stadium. Likelihood: Could be a dark horse. Virginia has a surprising lack of sports teams, and is even underserved by major college sports. UVa is rarely much more than middling, and sometimes-competitive Virginia Tech is all the way at the western end of the state in Blacksburg. While they probably won't be much of a target for a team looking to move, if the NFL chooses to expand, expect VA Beach to be under consideration. City: Birmingham, AL Population: 212,038 Other Pro/Major College Teams: None Pros: The southeastern United States is strangely lacking in professional football teams. While the dominant SEC dominates the local sports fans attention, it seems like fertile ground in which to plant an NFL franchise. Birmingham is the largest city in Alabama, and doesn't have a local team in the city. Cons: It is on the smaller side of NFL cities, and it's not a sure thing that the dyed-in-the-wool Alabama football fans will change their spending from the Tigers and the Crimson Tide enough to really allow the team to take root. Likelihood: Very low. City: London, England Population: 8,308,369 Other Pro/Major College Teams: Like, half the Premier league and a bunch of rugby, cricket, and at least one NFL game a year. Pros: The NFL has been playing games in London for a few years, and fan support has been steady. Wembley Stadium seats over 86,000 for American football. While many Brits seem to find our American game incomprehensible (but somehow find a way to figure out Cricket), there is some fan support for the game. Goodell has publicly expressed an interest in getting a team to London sooner than later, so there is definite management support. Cons: Imagine the 49ers travelling to the London teams, and you're talking about a 20-some-odd hour flight. American free agents will probably often be very hesitant to go to England. The London team's travel times to ANY games, even those "close" games on the US east coast would be a huge disadvantage. Their body clocks would also be completely thrown off, and jet-lag would become a factor. Likelihood: Very, but I believe it will be short-lived. The logistics and other factors of having a European-based team in an American league is just awful, and I think over time that would bear itself out. City: Omaha, NE Population: 421,570 Other Pro/Major College Teams: None Pros: Omaha is a growing city, and Nebraska's economy is one of the strongest in the nation. While the state of Nebraska lives and dies by their Huskers (located at the University of Nebraska an hour away in Lincoln) Omaha's distinct lack of any major college or pro sports seems to be odd. The Huskers manage to scrape up enough people to fill their 90,000 capacity stadium in a city half the size of Omaha every week, so I think Omaha could very well support a team. The midwest is underserved with pro ball, forcing most Nebraskans to split between the Rams, Chiefs, or Broncos. I work with a few people from Omaha, and they tell me there's too much residual hate of the University of Texas for Cowboys fandom to take root. Omaha has a burgeoning music and art scene, and probably wouldn't be a detriment to free agents. Cons: No ready made stadium, and a lack of too much of a metro area. Knowing how absolutely religiously dedicated Nebraskans can be to their Cornhuskers, I'm not convinced an NFL team can really gain traction. This might be pure college ball territory. Likelihood: Not bad. I think Omaha would be a good location, and could be a great place for an expansion team.
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October 23, 1979 - Harry (53) and Mollie Schlesinger (54) were shot and killed in Austin, Texas (US). Harry and his wife Mollie ran a liquor store and had been preparing to close their shop for the night when an assailant(s) robbed the store and then shot the couple dead. Police later informed the victims’ family that serial killers Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole confessed to the murders. However, some of the family doubted the validity of these claims due to some glaring inconsistencies in the case. The case is personal to one Reddit contributor Bamont because his grandmother was one of the victims of this horrible crime. What happened on that night? (UPDATE:) Some commenter's from the Unresolved Mysteries community offered their assistance in helping Bamont. In particular, Hotblueglue researched the case and found...
December 1, 1981 - Virginia Freeman (40) was found dead beaten with stab wounds and a broken neck in College Station, Texas (US). Virginia was a real estate agent and mother, who was also actively involved in giving back to her community. Virginia was on her way to dinner when she received a call from work about a man wanting to see a house in a secluded area. The man had a southern accent and said he was carrying a large amount of cash. Hoping to make a sale, Virginia left alone to meet the potential client and was never seen alive. What happened to Virginia? (UPDATE:) National Geographic Explorers were contacted and agreed...Who did this to Virginia?
March 14, 2015 - Cristie S. Codd (38) and Joseph "JT" Codd (45) disappeared from their home in Leicester, North Carolina (US). Cristie was a respected chef, who provided catering services to film crews. She was five months pregnant and had recently appeared in the 8th season of the reality show "Food Network Star." Her husband, JT, worked as a key grip in filmmaking. FYI, a key grip collaborates with the director of photography in productions and supervises all "grip (lighting and rigging) crews" (Wikipedia). The couple had hired their neighbor, Robert Jason Owens, as a contractor to do some work in their home. "Owens robbed, assaulted and threatened the couple with weapons before killing them." He would later admit to dismembering their bodies to conceal evidence (CBS News). Robert J. Owens is still a person of interest in the disappearance of Zebb Quinn (UPDATE:) Robert Owens has accepted a plea deal in the murders of JT Codd and Cristie, and...Will this provide any new information on Zebb?
March 17 - July 11, 2016 - Maryvale (Phoenix) Serial Shooter - "an unidentified serial killer who has been linked to nine separate shootings resulting in seven deaths and two injuries across Phoenix, Arizona (US) in 2016, mainly in the Maryvale neighborhood" (Wikipedia). The shooter's attacks seem to be random, and he targets people who are walking outside or standing/sitting by their homes or cars. Who is the killer? (UPDATE:) Person of interest identified in this... The post originally stated that the Phoenix Serial Shooter was arrested; however, at this time he had only been publically identified by law enforcement.Maryvale Serial Shooter
THE MISSING
May 1, 1982 – Diana L. Munyon (16) disappeared from Fontana, California (US). Diana formerly lived in Mississippi but had left home at a young age and frequently hitchhiked with truckers. There isn’t very much information about her on the net; however… What happened to Diana?
May 26, 1982 - Yolanda Jean Maull (30) disappeared from Birmingham, Alabama (US). She was originally from Knoxville, Tennessee and had graduated from Knoxville College. Yolanda was in the middle of a divorce and had planned to be in court on the day she disappeared. On the morning she vanished, Yolanda spoke to her attorney and was never... What happened to Yolanda?
June 6, 1984 - Sherry L. Marler (12) disappeared from Greenville, Alabama (US). Sherry was a tomboy, who enjoyed farm life. She was last seen with her stepfather at a local First National Bank. Sherry had walked across the street alone to buy soda and never returned. There have been multiple sighting of Sherry with an older man... Never Posted
July 2, 1989 – Barbara Elizabeth Miller (30) disappeared from Milton, Pennsylvania (US). Barbara was a police informant, who had recently received anonymous threats before she went missing. She was last seen attending a wedding, and police believe she made it home safely from the wedding that day. Her live-in boyfriend reported her missing three days later… What happened to Barbara?
October 24, 1998 - Kristine Kupka (28) disappeared from Brooklyn, New York (US). Kristine was an honor student majoring in Philosophy at Baruch College in New York. Kristine was romantically linked to her former Chemistry instructor from school, Darshanand Persaud, who was recently married to another woman. Kristine was pregnant with his child, and Darshanand had not been supportive of her decision to keep the baby. Shortly before she vanished, Darshanand had a change of heart and Kristine was last seen with him... Where is Kristine?
December 7th, 2001 - Janine Vaughan (31) disappeared from Bathurst, New South Wales (Australia). Janine worked as a store manager and had a large group of friends. On the day she vanished, Janine took a cab to meet up with some friends at two different bar and grills. At some point in the night, she lost her purse with her phone and wallet. Janine didn't want to end the party on her bad luck. So while they were leaving the second establishment, she yelled something out to her friends about getting more drinks and then jumped into an unknown person's car before they could question her (Western Advocate). Janine has never...Discuss
February 23, 1999 - Shannon Clair LaBau (23) disappeared from Helena, Montana (US). Shannon was a father and a cook, who was close to his mother. On the day he vanished, he had planned to look into buying a car in the nearby city of Townsend. Shannon's friend picked him up that day and claims to have dropped him off later on the street in Helena that morning. Shannon has never been seen again. What happened to Shannon?
July 14, 2003 - Revell Jeeter (59) disappeared from McConnellsburg, Pennsylvania (US). Revell was a divorced father and an introvert, who preferred the company of his dog Bubba to most people. On the day he vanished, it appeared as though Revell had walked out of his home to do something but never returned. His wallet and cell phone were found inside, and his three cars were parked nearby. Revell's family and friends told law enforcement that he'd never leave his dog alone for an extended period. Police later found his ATV at a neighbor, Gregory Rouzer's, home. The neighbor had claimed he was fixing the... What happened to Revell?
July 5, 2007 - Monica Renee Bowie (34) disappeared from Atlanta, Georgia (US). Monica owned two different businesses and sometimes worked in accounting. Monica’s fiance was in prison on drug charges when she vanished. She was abducted from her apartment complex late at night. Witnesses heard her screams and then saw a maroon car drive off... Missing in Georgia
January 1, 2008 - Amy Fitzpatrick (15) is an Irish teen who disappeared from Riveria del Sol, Costa del Sol (Spain). Amy was last seen leaving a friend's home that night. She lived with her mother and stepfather, the latter who she despised. Amy's stepfather, Dave Mahon, had been accused and later convicted of stabbing her brother in an angry confrontation outside their home. What happened to Amy?
February 23, 2010 - Tameka Anderson (25) disappeared from Baton Rouge, Louisiana (US). Tameka was a working mom, who recently had received her income tax return. She had hoped to buy a car in a nearby community, so she withdrew all of her cash from the credit union and had an acquaintance pick her up from her home. She was never seen... Missing and Forgotten
June 2, 2011 - Siriyakorn “Bung” Siriboon (13) disappeared from Boronia, Victoria (Australia). Bung was last seen leaving her home to walk to school. Bung was born in Thailand, and police believe that her family there or someone else in the country can provide clues to her disappearance. Two years after she vanished, a man claimed he... Where is Siriyakorn?
April 2, 2016 – Sidney Taylor (35) and Krislyn Gibson (35) disappeared from Austin, Texas (US). Sidney and Krislyn had taken a road trip from Houston to Austin to attend a concert. The night before the show, the couple met up with one of Sidney’s friend and went to a night club. They were last seen in the early hours of the morning. Sidney’s car was later found abandoned in Houston… What happened to Sidney and Krislyn?
July 22, 2016 - Eric Pracht (25) disappeared from Lakewood, Colorado (US). Eric was a paramedic, who was planning to wed his fiancé. On the day he vanished, Eric was hosting a party at his home and got into some altercation with a guest. Eric decided to cool down by leaving his condo and taking a walk alone and barefoot at midnight. He was never... What happened to Eric?
UNRESOLVED (& UNUSUAL) DEATHS
June 25, 1968 - Robinson Family Murders (Good Hart murders) - This was the mass murder of a family who was shot and killed in their vacation cottage in Good Hart, Michigan (US). The home belonged to a prominent magazine publisher in Detroit, Richard and Shirley Robinson and their four children. In July of that year, a caretaker for the neighborhood had been alerted to an odor coming from that area. The neighbors had been told that the Robinsons would be out of town, so no one seemed alarmed and assumed the smell was a dead animal. However, inside the home, the caretaker found the decomposing bodies of the entire family. With the exception of their youngest daughter (7 years old) who had been beaten with a hammer alone, everyone else was bludgeoned and shot. The investigation into the deaths found that Richard's business was in trouble. An employee had been embezzling... What happened to the Robinson family?
June 25, 1974 - Maria-Luise Artmeier (25) died after she lost control of her car and struck another vehicle in Munich, Bavaria (Germany). However, Maria was not killed due to the impact of the crash. Instead, the medical team found that she had been viciously stabbed shortly before the accident and had suffered a mortal wound to her heart. Police never found the murder weapon, and there were very few clues left at the scene. Maria had spent the evening at a restaurant with friends and was most likely ambushed as she entered her car alone. Who could have done this to Maria?
February 26, 1977 - Barbara Jean Maclean (16?) was found dead in Calgary, Alberta (Canada). Barbara had recently moved to Calgary and was living with her boyfriend. The night before her body was found, Barbara had gone to a bar with friends, family and her boyfriend (who was intoxicated). Barbara had been arguing with her boyfriend that night, and he ended up leaving her stranded in the parking lot. Barbara was under the influence, so she decided to hitchhike from the outside of the bar to an after party, where she... Why does Canada have fewer missing/unsolved murder cases? Do you think 70s culture contributed to more deaths?
January 14, 1983 - Terri McClure (62) disappeared from Lake Tahoe, Nevada (US). Terri lived in Reno but had traveled to Lake Tahoe for her son Tim's wedding. Terri attended the wedding and reception but planned to return home that evening after the festivities. Tim told authorities that he walked his mother to her car before she left, and he never saw her again. After watching his mother depart, he claimed he went to a casino and gambled alone for two hours and then spent the rest of his night with his new bride partying until the early hours of the morning. Police were unable to confirm his alibi, and Tim made some strange statements... Trail Went Cold
THE UNIDENTIFIED
October 18, 1984 - Hot Spring John Doe was a male hitchhiker on his way to California, who was picked up in Louisville, Kentucky (US). The driver of the car remembers that the hitchhiker said he was from New Haven, Connecticut. After the two had stopped to get something to eat, the hitchhiker took over driving the car and then... Who is Hot Spring John Doe?
May 25, 2003 – Mammoth Lakes Jane Doe – A hiker’s dog found the remains of a petite, Asian, woman (30-40 years old), who had likely been killed around August 2002 in Mammoth Lakes, California (US). Police brought in a physical anthropologist to help them identify the woman, and he believed that this woman had been stabbed to death… Who is this Jane Doe and what happened to her?
HISTORICAL MYSTERIES
Vilvos posted some musical mysteries like none other I've seen in this sub. Frankly, I was unaware of one band but found myself fascinated nonetheless. When will Jimmy Hendrix acoustic album be released in its entirety? Ever heard of the Peanut Duck? What is Charles Manson's connection to The Beach Boys? Musical Mystery Tour
June 10, 1876 - James Moon (36) was believed to have committed suicide in a hotel room in Lafayette, Indiana (US). James had meticulously planned his death, and created a guillotine inside the hotel to serve this purpose... Why did James go through these efforts?
November 12, 1966 - The Mothman - Outside of Clendenin, West Virginia (US), a group of men preparing a burial saw a moth-like-creature emerge from the trees. It was manlike in structure and different from anything else they'd ever seen. Later more sightings were reported, and most of these seemed to be near the old West Virginia Ordnance Works. The WVOW is a well known, but abandoned munitions factory from WW II. It's in a highly polluted area, referred to as an 'environmental disaster.' One couple who saw the creature described it as... What is this creature?
January 7, 1970 - Aarno Heinonen and Esko Viljo were taking a break from cross country skiing when they saw something in the sky in Imjärvi, Heinola (Finland). It appeared to be an "elongated, fire colored object...with a 'flame' coming from behind." Within a few moments, they then saw a flying saucer and heard the sounds of buzzing. A strange man soon appeared... Do UFOs exist?
January 28, 1991 - Outside of Las Vegas, Nevada (US), a 23-year-old man was found walking alone in the Mojave Desert. He appeared lost, overdressed for the climate, and severely dehydrated. When he was taken to the hospital, he could not provide the staff with any information on his identity. The hospital would later name him "Tyler, " after he was diagnosed with psychogenic amnesia. After undergoing hypnosis, Tyler begin to remember more information about his past... Who is Tyler? Was this all a hoax?
THE ACCUSED
May 1918 - The Axeman - A mysterious monster emerged in New Orleans, Louisana (US) one who wielded an ax and killed at his discretion. He snuck into his victim's home, then gruesomely butchered a grocer and his wife but left without taking any valuables. Police had no suspects but found that these cases were noticeably similar to other crimes against Italian grocers, who had been attacked years earlier by a man with an ax. As the details leaked out to the public, grocers around the city reported their close encounter with this axeman. The city waited in fear until another family was attacked and killed. Then a local newspaper editor received an anonymous letter from the killer saying he would attack again but would spare the lives of those where a jazz band played... What happened to the New Orleans Axeman?
1982-1984 - The Brabant Killers (Nijvel Gang) are a group in Belgium, who committed violent attacks which resulted in 28 people's deaths and another 40 being injured. The notorious gang was known for their excessive use of violence (like killing innocent bystanders and children) and indifference to law enforcement. Their motive for their crimes is still unknown, some believe they were psychopaths, and others think they may have been politically motivated. The statute of limitations on the...Who were The Brabant Killers and why did they commit these crimes?
June 16, 1991 - Father's Day Bank Massacre - On a Sunday morning (which happened to be Father's day) in Denver, Colorado (US), a man showed up outside the building of the United Bank Tower claiming to be the vice president of the bank. When security went down to investigate, the would-be robber showed a handgun to the unarmed guard and forced his way into the bank. He then shot and killed four employees and made off with... Who was behind this massacre?
February 7, 2008 - Greg Rouzers (41) was accused and convicted of the attempted murder of Randolph "Randy" Walters. Greg held some grudge against Randy and his girlfriend Marian Wertz because Marian had once been engaged to Greg's brother (the brother tried to commit suicide at some point during that relationship). While in prison for the attempted killing of Randy, Greg failed twice at trying to hire a hitman to kill Randy. Greg's girlfriend and father were accused of assisting him in those plots. Greg's father was the former neighbor of Revell Jeeter. Greg has told police that he has information on Revell's disappearance Is Greg responsible for Revell's disappearance?
MYSTERY SERIES
1979 - 1986 The East Area Rapist (Original Night Stalker) – “an unidentified serial killer and rapist who committed 50 rapes in Northern California and murdered twelve people in Southern California” (Wikipedia). He is believed to have started his crime spree as the Visalia Ransacker. Some of the actions of the rapist are puzzling. His.. The East Area Rapist, Part 4
August 8, 2010 - Ben McDaniel (30) disappeared from Ponce de Leon, Florida (US). Ben was a gifted man with an unflinching sense of adventure. He had recently experienced some setbacks, and with the blessing of his family decided to take a sabbatical in Florida. While he was in Florida, Ben pursued his scuba diving passion and made use of the geographical landforms to explore underground caves in his area. Although these dives were considered dangerous, Ben remain undeterred. Ben McDaniel, the diver who vanished from 58ft below the surface of an Underwater Cave. Part 2.5
ASK THE SLEUTHS
Question on the intro sequence of Unsolved Mysteries Discuss
Thoughts about Backmasking? (Playing song backward, where it has a satanic message) Discuss
Looking for French mysteries/disappearances Discuss
What cases are you constantly checking on? Discuss
What mystery is the best case or has the best evidence for the supernatural/extraterrestrial? Discuss
What are some good unresolved WWII Nazi mysteries? Discuss
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Can anyone help me with a mystery from Calgary, Alberta (Canada)? Discuss
Anyone watch 48 Hours tonight? All about Michelle McNamara and EAONS. Discuss
Help remembering a case: Early 20s, possibly blonde hair, disappeared after a night out, may have been at university, specifically wearing black shorts (denim or yoga) Discuss
Argh, matey! Avast ye, do any o' ye landlubbers be knowin' o' any legends or stories about hidden booty? (I couldn't help but read this question in a pirate voice, "Do you know any legends or stories of hidden treasure?")Discuss
What is your relationship with your mysteries? Discuss
What's a mystery that has left you completely perplexed because of its weird circumstances? Discuss
Are there any real-life cases about [law enforcement] officers who are actually informants for FBI, CIA or even organized crimes? Discuss
Need help finding similar cases - Murder of Skylar Neese Discuss
Jane Doe drawn with her hand covering her face Discuss
Mysteries where multiple people disappeared? Discuss
What case has 'shattered' your mind because of its grotesque circumstances? Discuss
What are some good solved mysteries? The more puzzling the original mystery the better. Discuss
10th Anniversary of Madeleine McCann disappearance Discuss
What are the chances dollars spent abroad coming back to the USA? What if D.B.Cooper spent it in Mexico? Discuss
Missing Persons Cases Where You Think They're Still Alive? Discuss
How many 'mysterious' missing person cases can be explained by people getting lost in the wilderness and dying as opposed to foul play? Discuss
Lesser known cases of long-term captivity? Discuss
Help remembering a case! (request) - 20-30 something, young woman, had multiple siblings, helped kill father because her mother was cheating, eventually wanted to confess but then disappeared Discuss
Have you ever personally contributed to the solving of an open, unresolved case? Have you ever actively contributed to a case that remains unsolved? Discuss
Mystery Involving 20th Century Military Man - May have served in WWI or II, naval soldier or sailor. ID card issued in Britain, but he was American. The letter "C" was "figured prominently in his name." May be related to Tamam Shud case. Discuss
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